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hey guys Ryan here from somewhere in the skies\h
and today we have a very exciting interview for\h\h

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you guys you know them being featured on Unsolved\h
Mysteries the Paranormal Rangers but if you're not\h\h

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familiar with their work you're going to learn\h
all about it tonight we have Jonathan Dover and\h\h

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Stanley Milford on the show so let's not waste\h
any more time let's bring them in we're going\h\h

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to hear the origin of how the Navajo paranormal\h
Rangers started uh the investigations that they\h\h

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conducted and where things stand now so without\h
further Ado we have Jonathan Dover Stanley Milford\h\h

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welcome to somewhere in the skies uh thanks uh\h
thanks for having us thank you thank you guys\h\h

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now um like like I mentioned a lot of people\h
probably saw you guys on Unsolved Mysteries\h\h

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um however a little bit of trivia my first ever\h
UFO conference I attended was the international\h\h

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UFO Congress where I was volunteering backstage\h
you know I would do whatever they needed me to do\h\h

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sweep the floors get coffee uh you know work the\h
sound board and I specifically remember uh I was\h\h

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one of the individuals that put the microphones\h
on you guys for your talk there and uh I was blown\h\h

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away I you know what I had heard that you were\h
basically the real life X-Files uh I I couldn't\h\h

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get enough and I've been following your work ever\h
since so um this is a true honor to have you guys\h\h

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on here today nice to be here it's been a little\h
bit of a uh travel with covet and everything but\h\h

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uh we came out on the other side okay we're all\h
here we're all here and we've got a lot of stories\h\h

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to hear from you guys so I'm I'm excited um well\h
before we get to uh obviously everyone wants to\h\h

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hear about some of the the investigations that\h
you guys have been on but um I always like to\h\h

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get the origin story of course um so if you guys\h
don't mind maybe Jonathan we'll start with you\h\h

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um how you both became Navajo Rangers how did\h
that opportunity arise before we even get to the\h\h

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uh this special part of those investigations\h
what made you want to become a Navajo Ranger\h\h

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well uh 1980 I actually was looking for a job\h
and uh they said at the chapter house they said\h\h

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there's an opening for a Navajo Ranger had no\h
idea what it was um I ended up applying the uh\h\h

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gave me a ride to Window Rock which is about 130\h
miles away from where I live and I walked in and\h\h

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the director there asked me one question uh how\h
would you feel if somebody threatened your life\h\h

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and I told him uh well I'll cut their\h
ears off at 200 yards of the 300 Savage\h\h

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and they said you're hired next thing I know I was\h
in the police academy for six months and so I kind\h\h

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of blundered into it and found out I was pretty\h
good at it and uh yeah here I am today I retired\h\h

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wow that's that's quite a uh an interview if\h
you ask me that's pretty interesting Stan how\h\h

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about you what what made you want to become an\h
Navajo Ranger I think growing up uh uh in a rural\h\h

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setting in in Oklahoma uh me and a cousin of mine\h
that was a couple years older than me uh at the\h\h

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age of like 10 years old nine years old riding\h
dirt bikes motocross bikes and playing cops and\h\h

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robbers and watching really too much uh Starsky\h
and Hutch and SWAT and uh so so I was at the\h\h

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University of Arizona when I was contacted by the\h
uh director of Parks and Recreation an individual\h\h

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named Clarence Gorman and uh he asked uh if I\h
would come back and uh attend the police academy\h\h

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and uh that's what I chose to do so that's I I\h
became a Nava Ranger interesting okay and then you\h\h

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know eventually you guys would both meet and start\h
working together um however I'd love if you could\h\h

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just paint a picture for us now I know the Navajo\h
territory that you covered as Rangers was was vast\h\h

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um but what exactly is a Navajo Ranger for those\h
who may not be aware of what the duties actually\h\h

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entail um um you know the the the areas that\h
you covered um either one of you if you want\h\h

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to cover that what exactly is a Navajo Ranger and\h
what areas did you cover okay so a Navajo Ranger\h\h

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is a very specialized law enforcement officer\h
what he does is he handles uh both renewable\h\h

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and non-renewable resource law enforcement so we\h
were trained and operated in the areas of Fish\h\h

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and Wildlife Forestry Parks and Recreation areas\h
we would enforce the laws in those areas minerals\h\h

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mines Water Resources we were also tasked with\h
handling search and rescue and um and Technical\h\h

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rescue situations and then we also did police work\h
on the side when there were no police officers\h\h

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present or able to respond to something\h
or if there was a life or death emergency

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interesting all right Stan did you want\h
to add anything to that I thought it was\h\h

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a pretty good summation well you know what\h
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section called special projects but within\h
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of other responsibilities such as uh special\h
weapons and tactics call out SWAT call out\h\h

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so he and I did that I worked on a drug\h
and gang task force under that section\h\h

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um we did dignitary protection we took care\h
of some really high profile and sensitive uh\h\h

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investigations and and uh assignments and stuff\h
like that so it was it wasn't just what people\h\h

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perceive as just a paranormal section it wasn't\h
it was kind of a broad spectrum of enforcement so\h\h

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right I I remember hearing you guys uh elaborate\h
you know that the Paranormal was maybe one percent\h\h

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of the work that you did out there um obviously\h
for audiences like ours of course those are the\h\h

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investigations they wanna they wanna hear about\h
but um let's let's dive into that I guess that\h\h

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one percent um what was it like for both of you\h
personally when you first got assigned to these\h\h

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cases I mean I can't imagine you know it was\h
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were told that you were now going to be going\h
out and investigating ghost scripteds UFOs Skin\h\h

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Walkers things like this um Jonathan maybe\h
we'll start with you what was it like that\h\h

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first day when you learned you'd be working\h
on these quote unquote special investigations\h\h

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well the uh the director had a uh the chief\h
Ranger had a meeting with the entire department\h\h

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and basically there had been an investigation and\h
if you know these guys that went out there uh two\h\h

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rookies uh they were regular Jokers they would\h
laugh and joke all day long and just have these\h\h

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little private um uh jokes about you know around\h
them and they went up to a lady that lost one of\h\h

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her sheep to a Bigfoot and of course they were\h
laughing joking you know horsing around and she\h\h

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took an offense to that and thought they were\h
laughing at her and chewed out her our chief\h\h

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Ranger so he called everyone in basically told\h
us that these cases were would be investigated\h\h

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professionally and there would be reports\h
written turned to me and Stan and I like to\h\h

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tell everybody that we were voluntold we didn't\h
request it we didn't raise our hands or anything\h\h

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and suddenly we were told that we would be getting\h
the major cases involving uh paranormal stuff and\h\h

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uh we just looked at each other and like\h
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Stan what was it like for you\h
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you now would be investigating these\h
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um one of the things was is that um up until the\h
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department-wide meeting it was just a normal day\h
it was just an everyday um a regular day and uh\h\h

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but we did have a department-wide staff meeting\h
we were called into that meeting and um so heading\h\h

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up that special projects unit the one of the\h
main reasons we were a part of that was that\h\h

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I think the chief Ranger at that time we worked\h
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closest Personnel working directly with the chief\h
and we had developed a this relationship where he\h\h

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knew he could give me and John uh assignments and\h
regardless of how how technical they were or how\h\h

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um how difficult they might be that he could rely\h
on me and John to handle it regardless and that\h\h

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John and I think I think with him had developed\h
a reputation of dependability and reliability and\h\h

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professionalism so um so when we got assigned uh\h
it wasn't like John and I were over there raising\h\h

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our hands saying oh we want to we want to run this\h
whatever that that wasn't the case it was simply\h\h

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that Chief had this assignment and he looked at us\h
too and said you two are the ones that are going\h\h

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to manage uh these assignments or these cases\h
investigations so hahaha at first you know it\h\h

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was kind of like all of the other assignments we\h
had received it's it's yes sir and and uh you did\h\h

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what you were told you know and uh but I don't\h
think that we you know yes John and I had had\h\h

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uh uh all our own personal experiences with what\h
would be termed as Supernatural or paranormal\h\h

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even prior to those assignments and even actually\h
there was there was cases we did that prior to\h\h

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that that would have fallen under what would\h
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um so I think that kind of it facilitated\h
us to get right into that and get busy\h\h

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investigating these things and stuff\h
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those another assignment you know that we're\h
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the nature of what it was right that was\h
actually going to be one of my questions for\h\h

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you guys was were there ever instances where uh\h
you know you went into a case to investigate and\h\h

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um that you then it turned into a paranormal\h
case like it it wasn't you weren't sent out\h\h

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to investigate someone who had a Bigfoot sighting\h
but um you know boom all of a sudden you're in the\h\h

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middle of you know a quote-unquote conventional\h
investigation of something else and I don't know\h\h

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a UFO zipped by or or a you know a paranormal\h
event occurred did that ever happen to you guys\h\h

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oh and things like that would happen all the time\h
um there there are many many cases uh where their\h\h

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paranormal would kind of peek at you and you'd\h
understand that hey there's there's something\h\h

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more going on here and um for the most part you\h
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did your report uh try to maintain as many factual\h
uh stuff as you could within the report and it was\h\h

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just kind of uh you know it was understood it was\h
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the beginning when these cases were assigned\h
to you guys do you remember the very first\h\h

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quote unquote paranormal case that you\h
were you were assigned to any memories\h\h

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of what that was and and how it kind of LED\h
you down the path we got a uh case initially\h\h

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um what had happened was that this is one of\h
the ones that showed up on the Netflix series\h\h

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we had at least 30 people have sightings\h
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between Bloomfield and Shiprock along the San Juan\h
River and um they they were frightened and the\h\h

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Community had gone to the local police department\h
and says hey you know we got all these sightings\h\h

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of this Bigfoot and the lieutenant came out and in\h
front of everybody just laughed at them and went\h\h

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I wonder how much these people have had to drink\h
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police and said you know we don't we want nothing\h
to do with you guys and they contacted the Rangers\h\h

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uh we sent a six-man crew up there and spent three\h
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the case getting statements from people along\h
the river and uh collecting uh hair evidence\h\h

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foot track evidence and things like that and\h
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interesting Stan do you have anything to add\h
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guys went on and uh you know what did was this\h
something that you you were familiar with before\h\h

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getting involved and um yeah how did you come out\h
on the other side thinking about Bigfoot after\h\h

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that that assignment that you're talking about\h
that he's referring to up along the San Juan River\h\h

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it really was the first where we're involving\h
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actual investigation that there was obviously\h
within that realm of paranormal investigation\h\h

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um I don't think I actually witnessed uh\h
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later on in some other investigations where I\h
actually witnessed um what it is people refer\h\h

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to as a Bigfoot twice I'm having an experience\h
where I've seen uh this either entity or this\h\h

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you know I'd whether it's a creature or\h
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um to that particular assignment I really didn't\h
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um it did involve an entire team and\h
it involved the planning uh for that\h\h

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assignment and the equipment that would be\h
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to [Music] how really how involved the\h
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having witnessed this thing that people referred\h
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um so I know our listeners are going to\h
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um so John let's start with you what is your most\h
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mysteries in our skies well this again would\h
be one of our one of our cases we refer to it\h\h

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as the old man case in this incidence uh an\h
elderly man was home by himself uh this is\h\h

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the short version uh there's other versions of\h
it that go into much more detail but uh we had\h\h

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this situation where this old man his his wife\h
and daughter had gone to to Phoenix and so he\h\h

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was home by himself it's uh midnight or one\h
in the morning and he sees a light and it\h\h

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looks like to him it looked like a car coming\h
up the road uh it turned out that it was this\h\h

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craft that was flying uh circled his house\h
and then landed up on the ridge behind him\h\h

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um he sees something come out of the crap out of\h
the bottom and go down to a house maybe a half\h\h

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mile away go back up to the craft and then come\h
back toward his house his dog starts barking uh\h\h

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it's it's a little blue heeler pup and uh you\h
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hears it you know Yelp and it comes running back\h
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and just lays there uh doesn't move so now he's\h
getting nervous and he goes inside he's looking\h\h

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out the window on the Seas what could be described\h
as a gray alien uh four of them that have these\h\h

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little flashlights in their hands he calls it\h
flashlight but it has a collimated beam about\h\h

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an inch in diameter and different color beams\h
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and they're shining it around looking like\h
they're looking for something uh out around\h\h

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his house he has all these solar lights and they\h
they seem to be very fascinated by these lights\h\h

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and as they approached them and gather around\h
the light the light slowly dims and goes out\h\h

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um they back up they stand up again and\h
back up and the light comes back on again\h\h

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and they would lean in again and the light\h
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um finally he decides he's in Navajo there's\h
no word for alien so he's saying what are these\h\h

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little children doing around my house he says they\h
they were wearing these uh white skin tight suits\h\h

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either white or light gray and so he goes out\h
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they had black eyes and as he turns the corner\h
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the step and fell broke his flashlight and as he\h
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in later conversations he describes\h
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their hands up and waving them and um\h
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they get back to the ship they take off\h
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of that was later on we found out a couple\h
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we didn't know about it at the time otherwise\h
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a full investigation there with a federal court\h
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that's a really interesting case a close\h
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um and very dramatic if you ask me and\h
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aren't just out there taking witness testimony\h
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proof of these things which was you know\h
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um of testing a car where a UFO hovered above it\h
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interesting Stan how about in you in terms of uh\h
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out to you about um UFO activity over the Navajo\h
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and I had it hadn't started out as an actual\h
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an individual had drowned uh somewhere in the San\h
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the water at Lake Powell and began traversing to\h
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particular object was that it was making a zigzag\h
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John's attention and we began watching it as it\h
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12 o'clock position we noticed following in\h
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uh and it turned out John was able to\h
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they're you know they had their afterburners\h
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um in an accelerated way so uh but uh a little\h
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it had left the two F-16 Fighters you\h
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kind of like a a child on a tricycle because\h
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that would have been involved in this for\h
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somewhere in the name of in the area of like 10\h
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it left me and John in awe watching this thing\h
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um so um again like you had said earlier you\h
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ended up being something of uh paranormal or or\h
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was no expectation for that it just happened right\h
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wow yeah well preparedness is you know a word\h
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investigation of any kind and I'd love to touch on\h
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listener questions here um how do you mentally\h
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to go into an investigation where you have no idea\h
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not um do do you both have any personal routines\h
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for for these types of Investigations\h
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there's you can have preconceived ideas a great\h
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without naming it naming it making it a word\h
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the idea that you're going to do the job in in\h
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officer and I would see horrific injuries and\h
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and um I found out that if you stop and let\h
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and so you just have to do the job and get to\h
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best hope of survival and in the Paranormal cases\h
you do something similar you don't show that fear\h\h

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um you know like like you see on TV today you\h
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we never did that and you know we just went\h
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Skinwalker Ranch so I'd love to get your opinion\h
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um is this is this something you've pursued in\h
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these areas I guess these condensed areas of high\h
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the areas that you would stand investigated what\h
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well the skinwalker phenomenon is basically\h
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changers in Australia and Africa in Europe\h
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whole world other Indian tribes have similar\h
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them the information is is uh very consistent\h
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out in the dark whistling because it\h
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like the windigo uh The Rake they can show up\h
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but they're all very similar in that a person\h
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and talking about it we've actually had military\h
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now we give them a shout out because Indian tribes\h
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speculate that the government is interested in\h
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thing that I would caution people about is that\h
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Navajo skinwalker they can actually be dangerous\h
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of something sent out to do the bidding they\h
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how to do this and they can poison you and they\h
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sick that you won't be able to function for\h
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so um we we caution people and even film Crews\h
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skin lockers uh we're done uh we're gonna call it\h
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uh they can be killed also that's one\h
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period of time and I've known it for a long\h
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um and and they some of them have died and uh\h
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uh the FBI arrested two individuals and they said\h
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of homicide wow that's crazy I I oh that one left\h
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the the the land there to do their scientific\h
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having sort of been at the center of all of that\h
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well there's definitely something going on\h
there there is high strangeness uh there is\h\h

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an energy source that's showed itself there's\h
a frequency showing uh 1.6 gigahertz and it's\h\h

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my understanding that this frequency is only\h
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that we launch uh so there's there's a\h
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um uh Cryptids show up uh Bigfoot shows up you\h
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that are very very similar that people avoid\h
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down in Sedona that they call them vortexes\h
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and so we've seen a lot of the same things up\h
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uh but there are a lot of them dual C is another\h
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of strangeness so uh we think that there's\h
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the United States of places that are probably\h
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people because of these strange things that go on\h
uh Skinwalker Ranch the nids team that was there\h\h

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uh prior under uh Bob Bigelow the information that\h
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today and so the team that's up there now had to\h
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and they were told by when the ranch was sold to\h
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you started digging things would happen it would\h
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at Skinwalker Ranch with Thomas being injured and\h
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get injured when he stuck his head over a hole\h
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so um there's there's lots of uh danger there\h
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my protection regimen uh before going there\h
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keep myself protected and I've been on the ranch\h
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I'm happy with that yeah fingers fingers crossed\h
it stays that way um well in terms of all of the\h\h

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cases John you've looked at throughout the years\h
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youthological even um do you have a favorite\h
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today or most memorable all wrapped into one um is\h
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well there is a case uh and it's it's a little\h
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tell it because there's a point to it okay um\h
there was a lady that contacted our department\h\h

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and uh she said that uh well she she's\h
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uh which is an emotionally disturbed person\h
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and she had contacted the city police the state\h
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told her that you know we don't handle that\h
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Skin Walkers were coming around our house\h
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contacted our department and me and Stan says\h
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she had inherited this land from her mother who\h
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different states she was taking a whole regimen\h
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and she showed us some little tiny bundles of\h
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out you know near her house and said that things\h
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at the side of the house and things like that\h
um we found tracks and we started to track it\h\h

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in tracking these tracks and both\h
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we found at least six individuals that had come\h
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they they you could see where they stood around\h
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what we determined was that these were local Town\h
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windows and no door and they were using this as a\h
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over the property again started living there they\h
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activity and she was genuinely frightened so\h
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skinwalkers these are local drunks they're trying\h
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so it's not definitely not Skinwalker activity\h
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um we didn't hear anything more\h
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um a month later uh our dispatcher got a\h
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she is crying on the phone and she\h
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um I've gotten my house fixed up and I'm\h
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and I just wanted to call you and thank\h
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and what me and Stan have found out is that\h
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else wants to to take a look at this issue we had\h
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come up to us and she had tears you know in her\h
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she had uh orbs and UFOs come around her\h
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family uh the the kids the grandkids the great\h
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because nobody had ever heard her talk about\h
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these subjects and bringing it out uh because it\h
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uh so it's really all about uh if we can to try\h
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metal matte he's one of our patreon subscribers\h
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plans of writing a book about your experiences\h
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on his book and has a publisher and an agent and\h
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uh through uh but it's 47 chapters so there's\h
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that he was excited and very interested in\h
publishing uh both John and my books and uh\h\h

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so when John let me know that I did jump on that\h
John and I had already been writing uh for to put\h\h

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together individual books going way back to when\h
we were working as Rangers I think I think once we\h\h

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we had really got into doing these kind of\h
Investigations that uh it was interesting to us\h\h

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I mean and it still is today where we a big part\h
of what we do in the investigation is the fact\h\h

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that we're curious there's a curiosity and and uh\h
wanting to learn more about the unknown and uh so\h\h

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when that opportunity presented itself um for me\h
you know after John let me know and I jump right\h\h

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on it and and uh things that seem to roll really\h
quickly with it and so yeah there's there's a\h\h

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we both will be uh working to get our books out\h
um so awesome I'm looking forward to that for sure\h\h

341
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um well I guess you know kind of playing off of\h
that uh Lisette over on YouTube wants to know uh\h\h

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were there any cases that you guys covered\h
on Unsolved Mysteries that didn't actually\h\h

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make it onto the show that you wish had or any\h
cases that you wish they had actually covered\h\h

344
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um you know I mean what we got on the show was\h
incredible but any cases you really wish they\h\h

345
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had gone after or or possibly got left on\h
the uh the editing floors as they call it

346
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um I don't think in what we filmed there was\h
anything that was left on The Cutting Room floor\h\h

347
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um I think everything that we set out and we\h
actually filmed was included the the challenge\h\h

348
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is that uh for a given episode there's only\h
so much room to be able to fit things in\h\h

349
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and uh but me and John you know we've discussed\h
this among ourselves in length there's so many\h\h

350
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uh cases and and events and incidents that that\h
we've never even we've never even shared with\h\h

351
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the public to date I mean I have I have incidents\h
that involving a doppelganger uh uh uh an incident\h\h

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where Mass livestock were killed in an unusual\h
manner and uh you know so many different things\h\h

353
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and I know John John has the same and so there are\h
still so much more and even personal experiences\h\h

354
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with the Paranormal that's still going on to\h
this very day um so there's so much more that\h\h

355
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we have to be able to bring to the surface and\h
bring to the public so yeah interesting John\h\h

356
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did you want to add anything to that oh boy\h
there's uh they said that when we finished uh\h\h

357
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filming that uh they had enough actually for two\h
episodes but they could only put one episode Down\h\h

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um one of the things that we're very adamant about\h
because we had done shows with other production\h\h

359
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companies and they says oh you know we want to\h
tell your story and what happens is they kind\h\h

360
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of made it a mishmash of different stories all\h
put together to make it sound more interesting\h\h

361
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and we told this company that we weren't\h
going to do that if uh they would tell our\h\h

362
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story correctly uh that we would work with them\h
and uh you know they did uh I've got to hand it\h\h

363
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to them they they came out you know it was great\h
um they they actually were very careful about uh\h\h

364
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making sure that every little detail was correct\h
and we were happy with the result that we saw\h\h

365
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I think one of the things that we've made clear up\h
front is that we're not going to fabricate things\h\h

366
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you know that didn't happen uh we're not going\h
to exaggerate or um you know sensationalize\h\h

367
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uh these cases that we were involved\h
in I mean him and I were not against\h\h

368
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creating uh some a work of fiction\h\h

369
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that would be based on some of these experiences\h
I think there's there's room for that in a motion\h\h

370
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picture or whatever but in what we're sharing uh\h
either with our presentations or something like uh\h\h

371
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like Unsolved Mysteries you know we're\h
gonna stick to what what happened and and uh\h\h

372
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um so we've we've been very adamant about\h
that we're not gonna We're not gonna we're\h\h

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John and I aren't these people that go in these\h
investigations that are jumping and running oh\h\h

374
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my God and we we're not we don't do that uh we\h
don't do that and never have done that and uh\h\h

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we've stuck to the fact that we are investigators\h
where we were sworn at the time you know and uh\h\h

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We're Not Gonna fabricate fabricate and make up\h
things and lie about things you know and I think\h\h

377
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that's probably one of the things that Maybe sets\h
us apart with some things that you see out there\h\h

378
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is that we were sworn officers and this was our\h
assignment and uh um we had a duty to help people\h\h

379
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and and we we still carry that part of it as far\h
as you know in the investigations we still do to\h\h

380
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this day not as law enforcement but we're trying\h
to help people bottom line people that are people\h\h

381
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that want help and that there's nobody there to\h
help them so yeah right well yeah that was kind\h\h

382
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of going to be my last question you know I know\h
you're both retired now from the Rangers however\h\h

383
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uh you know you've made you've made uh I would\h
imagine very strong bonds with these people who've\h\h

384
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had highly anomalous experiences that you would go\h
on to um you know become a part of and investigate\h\h

385
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and find some closure for these people so that\h
was going to be kind of my last question do the\h\h

386
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investigations continue and uh you know what is\h
that like you know coming out on the other side\h\h

387
00:52:15,060 --> 00:52:21,660
not having to speak for the Rangers any longer\h
but speaking for yourselves on a lot of this stuff\h\h

388
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:28,200
um yeah that's my long-winded way of asking do the\h
investigations continue John let's start with you\h\h

389
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well the investigations uh uh have on a\h
case-by-case basis continued uh we do get\h\h

390
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requests and um unfortunately we don't get paid\h
for any of these uh we're doing it on our own time\h\h

391
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so to speak and it it can run into quite a quite\h
a bit of money as you know just just gassing up\h\h

392
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your truck you know to get somewhere can can cost\h
a lot now so um it's not that we don't want to do\h\h

393
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some of these things is that in some cases we just\h
can't can't go and do them people also ask us and\h\h

394
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and I need to put this in here they ask us how can\h
I protect myself and I an alien con I had a person\h\h

395
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ask me you know should I start smudging should I\h
start using uh sage and this was a non-indian that\h\h

396
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was asking this from the audience and my answer\h
to them was that uh take go back into the history\h\h

397
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of your culture and find out what they did to\h
ward off evil and then use those things with\h\h

398
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intent the intent of your mind that this is going\h
to protect you and make it your own don't don't\h\h

399
00:53:54,420 --> 00:54:03,840
just copy Native Americans as to what they do and\h
I had a lot of Native Americans afterwards come\h\h

400
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up to me and thank me for making that statement\h
uh because a lot of people are just adopting or\h\h

401
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uh assimilating yeah assimilating what natives\h
do and um you know that it really if you just go\h\h

402
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through the motions it doesn't have anything\h
to it it relies on the intent of the person\h\h

403
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thank you thank you for clarifying that um\h
Stan do you have anything to add to that in\h\h

404
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terms of the continued investigations and kind\h
of trying to continue to help these people after\h\h

405
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you know the initial events happened\h
I think one of the things is that\h\h

406
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that's a part of John John's personality\h
and my personality to help when people are\h\h

407
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in need people around a certain age and um so\h
when it comes to the Paranormal Supernatural\h\h

408
00:55:05,460 --> 00:55:12,600
um you you for the most part you can't run to the\h
local police department because you're going to\h\h

409
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end up getting turned away just as what John\h
conveyed with some of the previous cases that\h\h

410
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happened on the naval reservation uh and the\h
unique thing with that is our chief at the time\h\h

411
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was very adamant that you took an oath and you\h
may not understand these cases you may not believe\h\h

412
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in uh whatever it is that's being presented but\h
you're going to be there to help me that's what\h\h

413
00:55:45,180 --> 00:55:52,140
you signed on to do to help people and protect\h
people and and we did that but that's also a part\h\h

414
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of John's personality and my personality you know\h
the for the most part when people are experiencing\h\h

415
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whether it's a Bigfoot case or a haunting case\h
or you know they're reaching out for help and\h\h

416
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in our experience most of those individuals\h
they're traumatized they're going through\h\h

417
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some type of trauma whether it's a 10\h
year old girl being chased by a Bigfoot\h\h

418
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you know after she dropped off you know at\h
the school bus stop or you know things like\h\h

419
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that these individuals are traumatized and um\h
you know whether it's an elderly woman that's\h\h

420
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you know being victimized and and her\h
property being taken by an entity or whatever\h\h

421
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these people are needing help but they're they're\h
in reality there is no paranormal police out there\h\h

422
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to try to come to the rescue and I guess that's\h
in a sense that's what John and I have tried to\h\h

423
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tried to fulfill is to be there for the people\h
that need help anyway I love that yeah well they\h\h

424
00:57:13,740 --> 00:57:19,680
were they were damn lucky to have you guys I'll\h
kind of leave it at that to have such empathetic\h\h

425
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individuals uh willing to work with experiencers\h
you know because like you said it's very hard\h\h

426
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um and people struggle with these things no\h
matter what they are aliens ghosts uh Cryptids\h\h

427
00:57:33,300 --> 00:57:38,220
um you know it's not easy uh it's becoming a\h
little easier I think for people who've seen\h\h

428
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UFOs I mean UFOs seem to be the in the mainstream\h
now more than ever and widely accepted in some\h\h

429
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ways uh but for the other stuff I can imagine\h
it's still very isolating and alienating to\h\h

430
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to talk about these things so um no I you know\h
from I I've seen a UFO so I guess I'm kind of\h\h

431
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inexperiencer so I have to thank you guys for um\h
being open and willing to do stuff like that but\h\h

432
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um to kind of close things out here uh in terms\h
of continuing uh contact in the desert June 2nd\h\h

433
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through the 4th is going to be taking place and\h
you guys are going to be speaking at that so\h\h

434
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:25,560
um would you mind giving us a little tease of\h
maybe what you'll be talking about um if you know\h\h

435
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:30,120
yet when you'll be presenting uh anything like\h
that whichever one of you would like to take that

436
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,300
um okay I'm looking at my brains here

437
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on my phone I have the uh okay um we're\h
going to be presenting a workshop first\h\h

438
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and this will be on June 2nd\h
on Friday uh 7 30 to 9 15 p.m\h\h

439
00:58:57,060 --> 00:59:04,080
um at the resort there the workshop is going to be\h
called the Paranormal Rangers the Native American\h\h

440
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approach and with a question and answer and this\h
is going to be a much more intimate conversation\h\h

441
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as to some of the culture cultural aspects behind\h
what we do and um and then we're going to sit down\h\h

442
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with the audience and be able to take questions\h
and answers uh the other one is going to be on\h\h

443
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Sunday June 4th at 10 35 to 12 20 and this will\h
be in the main Auditorium and it says the title\h\h

444
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is mysterious discoveries of the Paranormal Naval\h
arrangers so this one will be our our standard\h\h

445
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presentation with lots and lots of pictures to\h
to put up on the screen oh cool I I'm definitely\h\h

446
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jealous I uh won't be able to make that but I've\h
seen you guys present before it's uh it's quite a\h\h

447
01:00:02,100 --> 01:00:07,860
sight to behold and seeing the images from these\h
investigations I think just lend so much Credence\h\h

448
01:00:07,860 --> 01:00:15,300
to them as well so um guys definitely awesome and\h
make it to contact in the desert yes please stand\h\h

449
01:00:16,380 --> 01:00:24,900
um there are a number of other uh events that\h
both John and I are participating in this year\h\h

450
01:00:24,900 --> 01:00:34,380
would you mind if he elaborates on some of those\h
oh absolutely yeah please okay back to my brain

451
01:00:37,500 --> 01:00:41,940
I'm get I'm at the point now where I have\h
to write everything down otherwise I just\h\h

452
01:00:41,940 --> 01:00:51,780
forget it I'm the same way okay so after\h
contact in the desert on um on June 10th\h\h

453
01:00:51,780 --> 01:01:00,480
through the 11th I'll be at the Bigfoot Expo\h
in Fairbanks Alaska that'll just be me and uh\h\h

454
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after that we'll both be at on June 30th\h
we'll both be at the Roswell incident speaking\h\h

455
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and we have some stuff uh coming up in September\h
in Colorado uh around the middle of September\h\h

456
01:01:15,420 --> 01:01:23,220
where we'll be speaking at the uh the Bigfoot\h
Outpost and for uh Denver mufon uh so there's\h\h

457
01:01:23,220 --> 01:01:30,300
a lot of things that are still going on and uh I\h
would like to say at this point that one of the\h\h

458
01:01:30,300 --> 01:01:39,780
reasons Dan hasn't been with me on a lot of these\h
uh talks is that he just retired a week ago oh\h\h

459
01:01:39,780 --> 01:01:47,880
he's still working at the time so he did 30 years\h
in law enforcement and finally you know survived\h\h

460
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:57,300
it and got out but in the time he was there it was\h
kind of an unspoken thing uh we don't want you to\h\h

461
01:01:57,300 --> 01:02:06,780
go out and do all these UFO Cryptid uh paranormal\h
stuff because uh he he was doing investigations\h\h

462
01:02:07,500 --> 01:02:16,260
so you know he's the the dogs have been released\h
now so he's he's available and congratulations\h\h

463
01:02:16,260 --> 01:02:23,880
yeah thank you yeah that's exciting um I know just\h
when you thought you were you're ready to rest\h\h

464
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:29,640
Stan you're gonna be traveling the world speaking\h
about this stuff or the foreseeable future\h\h

465
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:37,320
um that's fine that's amazing well um I have to\h
thank you guys for giving me your time tonight\h\h

466
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:43,260
uh sharing those stories with us but I do kind of\h
want to just give these last moments to both of\h\h

467
01:02:43,260 --> 01:02:49,380
you um any last words you want to give to our to\h
our audience here just about you know this weird\h\h

468
01:02:49,380 --> 01:02:57,240
world we live in where it's heading and how all\h
of this paranormal stuff plays into it yeah any\h\h

469
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:02,400
any last words you want to leave our our viewers\h
and listeners with uh Stan let's start with you\h\h

470
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um one of the things really that I want\h
to try to get across in convey is that\h\h

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if you've had these kind of experiences if\h
you're a family member if a family member\h\h

472
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:26,220
has an experience whether it's Bigfoot\h
or UFOs or haunting related uh activity\h\h

473
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:37,500
you know really you're first of all you're not\h
crazy uh there are you'd be hard-pressed to\h\h

474
01:03:37,500 --> 01:03:44,940
probably try to reach out and find an individual\h
family that has not had a family member\h\h

475
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:54,420
that has some type of paranormal experience\h
whether it's UFOs Bigfoot or um you know things\h\h

476
01:03:54,420 --> 01:04:02,820
involving witchcraft so globally if you look\h
you'd be hard-pressed to try to find any family\h\h

477
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that hasn't had some type of experience however\h
small or however you know uh really large or\h\h

478
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overpressing so um so you're not crazy people have\h
these experiences and uh yeah you're not alone so\h\h

479
01:04:24,660 --> 01:04:34,140
um I'll let John thank you okay for me um one\h
of the things as as a criminal investigator

480
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is that we're constantly looking for answers we're\h
not satisfied with just uh you know other cases\h\h

481
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:50,820
done okay throw it in the back back of the file\h
cabinet and forget about it uh we're looking for\h\h

482
01:04:50,820 --> 01:04:59,100
answers we want to know we found out um as far\h
back as 2009 we started coming up with a theory\h\h

483
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that all of these things UFOs Bigfoot uh Cryptids\h
uh even skinwalkers were all related somehow that\h\h

484
01:05:10,140 --> 01:05:16,320
there had to be something common linking them\h
all together and what we found out was this idea\h\h

485
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:25,920
of string theory and parallel Dimensions uh had a\h
lot to do with with it we've got UFOs popping into\h\h

486
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existence with a definite pop that you know the\h
sound goes right through your body and then they\h\h

487
01:05:33,660 --> 01:05:43,440
fade out we've had uh Bigfoot appear and when he's\h
appeared and we got more cases involved in Bigfoot\h\h

488
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:51,480
cases we saw corresponding increase in UFO traffic\h
and we've seen them linked together numerous times\h\h

489
01:05:51,480 --> 01:06:01,140
that that they were seen in the presence of UFOs\h
and we've tracked Bigfoot and he's disappeared if\h\h

490
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he had taken another step he would have left the\h
track and backtracked him to the point where he\h\h

491
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his Footprints appear so we think that they're\h
coming in from a parallel Dimension through a\h\h

492
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dimensional gate somehow and they might be able\h
to manipulate these things whether accidental or\h\h

493
01:06:20,820 --> 01:06:28,860
on purpose there's definitely something here that\h
they're interested in same with hauntings so um\h\h

494
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you know we start talking about this in 2011 in in\h
presenting and uh since then the industry uh the\h\h

495
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TV industry now you turn tune in and you hear a\h
lot about parallel dimensions and the government's\h\h

496
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:54,360
even trying to figure out how to access and use\h
dimensional Gates and faster than light travel\h\h

497
01:06:55,200 --> 01:07:04,500
so yeah I think we're ahead of the ahead of\h
the curve now yeah well let's add psychic\h\h

498
01:07:04,500 --> 01:07:09,660
abilities too because uh that was actually a\h
question I forgot to ask you guys is this all\h\h

499
01:07:09,660 --> 01:07:15,480
somehow connected so thanks John you you\h
you precognitively answered that for me\h\h

500
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:22,620
um so thank you thank you well we knew you were\h
gonna ask that exactly it got to come up at some\h\h

501
01:07:22,620 --> 01:07:29,940
point in these conversations but um no I've got\h
the gentleman longer than I told you so uh we're\h\h

502
01:07:29,940 --> 01:07:36,120
gonna say good night for tonight but once again\h
guys please go if you can to contact in the desert\h\h

503
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:42,480
that is June 2nd through the 4th and also check\h
out the other events that John and eventually\h\h

504
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:51,840
eventually Stan will be speaking at as well um\h
yes uh again I I briefly met you guys almost oh\h\h

505
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:56,880
gosh almost a decade ago at this point and um it\h
was an honor and pleasure to see you speak then\h\h

506
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:02,040
and it was an honor and pleasure to have you on\h
somewhere in the skies tonight as well so thank\h\h

507
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:08,100
thank you very much thank you and thank you to\h
your audience yeah and thank you guys for having\h\h